Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga

Proposed split of List of Pokémon anime characters

Inactive talk page over at List of Pokémon anime characters, so I'm putting it here as well. (Please respond at the source page, linked directly below)

This section is an excerpt from Talk:List of Pokémon anime characters § Article Split.[edit]

Hello, as this article is over 50,000 words long, I think it would be reasonable that it is split into multiple articles. Here are some ideas:

Split by name: Split into articles titled List of Pokémon anime characters (A-M), List of Pokémon anime characters (N-Z), etc. Pros of this method are simplicity, though it may become harder to navigate, as related characters are no longer grouped together.

Split by introduction: This would include the article being split into several articles titled List of Pokémon anime characters (seasons 1-3), List of Pokémon anime characters (seasons 4-6), etc. Pros of this are sorting characters by when they were introduced, and thus were likely the most notable, though cons could be that many of the most notable characters are from season one, and related groups are not together.

Split into categories: This would be splitting into articles like List of Pokémon anime antagonists, List of gym leaders in the Pokémon anime, etc. Pros are that related characters are all together, though cons are that characters may need to neatly fit into one category. However, this is my preference.

Please do tell me your thoughts.

DecafPotato (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I think it would be better to split by individual season instead. Although it's a shame we can't have a structured central database of characters and display them in different orders. RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Splitting by series is far better, as it is inline with Japanese and English dub. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 22:43, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I believe a significant trim would be much more appropriate. Currently, most of the article is original research, talking about minor characters no publication has ever mentioned and who may have appeared in only a handful of episodes each. It is silly for Wikipedia to host a whole paragraph of fictional biographical information on each gym leader Ash Ketchum has faced; that's what fanwikis are for and such content isn't helpful for general readers. Rewriting an list like this based on reliable secondary sources is really hard, though, and I don't feel up for it. I'm quite happy with the trim I had given the video game equivalent list, though it's still 99% original research there too and might require a much more significant trim too. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I think splitting by series would be much better.

List of Pokémon anime (Original series) characters or List of Pokémon anime (The Beginning) characters and List of Pokémon anime (Gold and Silver) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Advanced Generation) characters or List of Pokémon anime (Ruby and Sapphire) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Diamond and Pearl) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Best Wishes) characters or List of Pokémon anime (Black and White) characters, List of Pokémon anime (XY) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Sun and Moon) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Journeys) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Horizons) characters. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 16:07, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I think we should stick to using the Japanese or English series when it comes to naming the articles, as I hate it when people mix and merge the two together, like Bulbapedia with their episode codes. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

So which one do you prefer, Japanese name or English name? Ajeeb Prani (talk) 16:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

As its a Japanese series, I prefer Japanese over English. So Black & White become Best Wishes!, XY becomes XY&Z, Journeys becomes 2019 series and Horizons become 2023 series. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

XY series's Japanese name is XY not XY&Z. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 16:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually, it is XY and XY&Z according to various media, such as TV Tokyo and Amazon, as they have separate pages. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

According to Bulbapedia XY series is divided into two seasons (XY and XY&Z) in Japanese version. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 17:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

TV Tokyo and Amazon Japan don't split Best Wishes by season, indication that XY and XY&Z are two interlinked series. Not everything that Bulbapedia says is correct, however. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 17:53, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Dani Cavallaro

This person has written many books on the topic of anime, and has been cited in articles such as Angel's Egg. However, I am uncertain as to the quality of the source. The highest quality books would be peer reviewed books published by an academic press associated with a University and it appears that her publisher is not this. It's unclear what her education is, or if she has any association with any university. Basic biographical information can't be confirmed, and doing online searches find blog posts of people asking the same questions. Reading their work I see it's filled with jargon and purple prose rather than stating things directly.

This is certainly red flags and I would consider this person to be questionable as a source and I would not personally cite them, especially for facts. I can understand that there's a dearth of high quality sources for anime, but I would certainly avoid this person. Harizotoh9 (talk) 13:29, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Cavallaro is not a high-quality source and, in my opinion, her works should be avoided if possible. Charcoal feather (talk) 18:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Her books have the superficial look of academic serious books, and there's often a dearth of sources for old anime/manga series so I can see why people would want to rely upon them. But her books appear to be low quality, and heavily cite online blogs, and lack the substance of high quality sources. She's cited on something like 42 pages according to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Dani_Cavallaro&limit=500 Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:32, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Fakemon

I assume this is an article to add to the WikiProject. Just checking, as Fakemon is currently top on today's DYK. ISD (talk) 06:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposal regarding season article naming

There is a proposal to change the naming conventions of TV season articles from the current practice of XXX (season 1) to XXX, season 1 or XXX season 1. As such a change would affect a substantial number of articles, you are invited to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) § Move TV seasons from parenthetical disambiguation to comma disambiguation. Thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Takao Yaguchi

Many of his manga series are only in Japanese Wikipedia: ja:おらが村, ja:新・おらが村, ja:マタギ (漫画), ja:かつみ, ja:ニッポン博物誌, ja:ふるさと (漫画), ja:激濤 Magnitude 7.7. Can you translate them in English, and maybe also expand his own page and Fisherman Sanpei? Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.175.7 (talk) 19:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you do it? 79.16.244.59 (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

What are the most vital (important) anime and manga?

See related discussion at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5#Anime and manga and feelf ree to join it :) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Also Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/4#Add One Piece. Link20XX (talk) 04:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I have replied. David A (talk) 08:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Top-selling manga by series of 2023

I've seen various sites reporting the best-selling manga series of the year, supposedly based on an Oricon's report, like these two Comicbook sources [1][2]. I don't necessarily think that the numbers are fake, but the problem is that, on their site, Oricon only reported the best-selling manga volumes of the year.[3] The only sources I can find at the moment reporting the claimed figures of Oricon's best-selling manga series of the year, besides Comicbook (which is rather marginally reliable), are WP:USERG, so I'm not sure if it's okay to mention this in the articles of the series that figured on the list. Xexerss (talk) 16:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I can't find any source to back that number other than the aforementioned ComicBook.com article, something that cites said article, or Twitter. I also looked on Oricon but was unable to find the report they cited. Link20XX (talk) 18:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Broadcast delays of some minutes

@KANLen09: has been been adding notes in episode tables, concerning certain delays of a few minutes that don't really affect the actual broadcast dates, and these are mostly notes without references or very vague references at best. I have already explained why these notes don't contribute anything significant to the article. I suggested to initiate a discussion on the matter in order to reach a consensus. Since the user has been unwilling to do so and instead insists on adding these notes, I decided to start the discussion myself. Is there any relevance in highlighting these delays of a few minutes when they don't even impact the release dates? Xexerss (talk) 07:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Unless it changes the date, I don't see any reason to be doing it. As far as I'm concerned, there's usually not any sort of source for this either unless there's a brief mention in a social media post (maybe). Sarcataclysmal (talk) 08:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

There are always mentions according to the official sources, mainly X (Twitter) or on the schedules of the main network shows are aired on. I don't really understand the deal, and @Xexerss I've already told you as far as I'm concerned, BaldiBasicsFan started this whole debacle that is a back-and-forth issue before peeps like you (and others) came along. That's the reason why I recently started to add official sources to prove the rather "miniscule" changes that for everyone else, would not care about.

Maybe this is just me alone since I'm managing actual release times for another group outside of this platform, but IMVHO this should not be a problem that has now because of some "pet peeve" that has become a discussion to reach such consensus. I have been in this business for a few years now, just saying. KANLen09 (talk) 09:50, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

The only sources that you provided in the Under Ninja article for those notes is this one, which only serves to confirm the regular air time of the series, not to confirm any delays or whatsoever. Do what you want outside of Wikipedia, but this is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Also, you're the only editor I've seen adding these notes about delays of a few minutes, so I don't know how many readers really care to know this kind of information. It seems to fall into WP:FANCRUFT territory. Xexerss (talk) 10:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)